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    Kia Stinger Out The Door Price Thread

    I would take that claim with a huge grain of salt. $500 off MSRP. I'll bet you don't get to see the dealer invoice, and if you do, it isn't the real invoice. They must pay for showfloor and lot maintenance, commissions and a lot of overhead. $500 below dealer invoice would be essentially...
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    Kia Stinger Out The Door Price Thread

    In my research, using Kelly Blue book prices, I found that the Dealer Invoice is about $3,000 below MSRP. MSRP is the price on the window sticker. Dealer Invoice is the price a dealer is invoiced for the car by Kia, NOT INCLUDING other kickbacks related to special clearances, quota allowances...
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    Possible Super Bowl video

    This one is in keeping with the clever and humorous videos that attract attention and are better than the game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YVbVXOjJv4&feature=youtu.be [rofl]
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    Location?

    Hmmm. Looking at the posts in all the threads here, it appears that the east and west coast got the bulk of Stingers after Canada. Mine is 6 weeks away, then on a slow boat from Korea. [cry]
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    Which drive mode do you prefer the most?

    Well, I can see using Eco mode on long highway trips on the divided lane highways in my part of the world. You can always twist the dial if you need to blow a Prius off the road. [driving]
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    Kia Stinger Out The Door Price Thread

    I think a lot of it depends on whether you want a car on the lot/showfloor, want financing, leasing, or you can pay cash. If the deal is by phone or e-mail and you don't spend salesman time driving the car, just getting a quotation, and if the dealer has a lower overhead (rural), you can...
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    Thoughts on these Dropstars wheels on the Stinger?

    I'm not a fan of the current fad for black wheels. They remind me of the cheapo wheels and tires on police cars that have long-ago lost their hub caps. The best way to show off a car that is clean is to have clean wheels, and black does not show cleanliness. Yeah, I'm an old codger and I...
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    Which drive mode do you prefer the most?

    Smart mode allows you to customize the various parameters available such as shifting, ride stiffness, steering sensitivity into a combination of your choice.
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    What is everyone getting for MPG based on how they drive?

    Kia has never been big on fuel economy. I remember years ago walking by a Kia lot, looking at window stickers and the EPA estimates. Tiny little 4-cylinder cars were only rated at 25mpg and I wondered at the time who would buy a little economy car that didn't get better fuel economy. And...
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    LAP3 USA Kia Stinger Tuning

    Big difference between a gasoline engine which is an air-throttled engine, and a diesel which is unthrottled.
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    LAP3 USA Kia Stinger Tuning

    You kids aren't old enough to remember vapor lock, I'll bet. [thumb]
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    "Dealer Marketing Group" Fee?

    That is a fee that dealers pay to a local marketing group that is used for TV and media advertising. It is an advertising fee that varies with the location and advertising aggressiveness of the dealership or the group in which the dealer is a member. There is no way around paying it unless you...
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    Any info yet on the 3.3 engine internals?

    That's incredible. Why would the put a cell phone and keyboard in an engine?
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    LAP3 USA Kia Stinger Tuning

    It's an interesting problem. At higher altitudes, air and oxygen is thinner, so fuel unboosted systems with FI and carburetors run rich. The solution to that is to reduce the octane which reduces emissions. But with turbocharged and supercharged engines, that is not necessary because these...
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    Kia Stinger Out The Door Price Thread

    The LSD is not needed with AWD which is why it's not included with that drivetrain. I did order the DriveWise package, so there is very little I'm missing. I did omit the HUD but had it on the '00 Pontiac GrandPrix GTP. Seldom used it. It made windshield replacement about 3X expensive...
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    Check My Math

    That's why I shop like I do. Walk in with a spec sheet. Never buy one off the floor which may include floor plan interest included in the dealer's net cost or may have been test driven aggressively without proper break-in. Give your spec sheet and terms directly to the sales manager if...
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    What car will you be replacing with your Kia Stinger?

    It's in my signature at the bottom, but I'll have to let my G8 GT go with 190,000 miles. Fantastic car, never seen a wrench. Just tires, battery, oil & filter --- and wiper blades.
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    fuel

    Turbocharged engines do, in effect, vary compression ratio by controlling the waste gate. At idle, compression is effectively whatever the static ratio is. Under boost, the compression ratio effectively increases to pack fuel/air mix into the cylinders.
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    Stinger on TSW 20" Rims

    I know black wheels is a fad, but I don't really care for them. They look -- well -- dirty. One way to tell when a car is really clean is when the wheels are clean. Most people run cars through a car wash and the wheels never really get any attention. So to my eye, black wheels look a bit...
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    Tire sizes on the AWD GT's

    Thanks. There was a misinformed reviewer who apparently had the 18" wheels on the AWD he was testing and thought it applied to the 19" tires as well.


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